Comments on: The first ever depiction of Nataraja in stone in South India - Seeyamangalam - Avanibaajana Pallaweshwaram http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html Tue, 22 May 2012 02:43:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Muralisamy http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1842 Muralisamy Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:57:08 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1842 மிக்கவும் மகிழ்ச்சியாக இருக்கிறது தங்களது தளம் மற்றும் சார்ந்த விசயங்கள்.. பொதுவாக யாரும் முயற்ச்சி செய்யாத புதுவகையில் நீங்கள் புகைப்படங்களுடன் விவரித்திருக்கிறவிதம் மிகவும் அருமை. என்னுள்ளும் எப்போதும் அலைந்துகொண்டிருக்கும் எண்ணம் இதுகூட.. கோயில், சிற்ப்பம் இவை எப்பொழுதும் நினைத்தவுடன் சிலிர்ப்பூட்டுகிறது.. வாழ்த்துக்கள்.. அன்புடன்.. முரளிசத்ரியன் http://muralisathriyan.blogspot.com/ மிக்கவும் மகிழ்ச்சியாக இருக்கிறது தங்களது தளம் மற்றும் சார்ந்த விசயங்கள்.. பொதுவாக யாரும் முயற்ச்சி செய்யாத புதுவகையில் நீங்கள் புகைப்படங்களுடன் விவரித்திருக்கிறவிதம் மிகவும் அருமை. என்னுள்ளும் எப்போதும் அலைந்துகொண்டிருக்கும் எண்ணம் இதுகூட.. கோயில், சிற்ப்பம் இவை எப்பொழுதும் நினைத்தவுடன் சிலிர்ப்பூட்டுகிறது.. வாழ்த்துக்கள்..

அன்புடன்..
முரளிசத்ரியன்
http://muralisathriyan.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Kathie B. http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1119 Kathie B. Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:43:35 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1119 How do the Muttaraiyars of Sendalai fit into all this? Aren't they in the Pudukkottai area, too? I get really confused about who built what. How do the Muttaraiyars of Sendalai fit into
all this? Aren’t they in the Pudukkottai area, too? I get really confused about who built what.

]]> By: Vijay http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1099 Vijay Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:05:21 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1099 hi kathie, Yes - actually a long pending task ( was actually waiting for a photo of teh right door guardian from vallam mahendra cave) - the so called `horned' door guardian is a topic on its own. mr chandru, thanks, have corrected. thanks for sharing the info on tirumayam and namakkal. looking forward to hearing more from you best rgds vj hi kathie,

Yes - actually a long pending task ( was actually waiting for a photo of teh right door guardian from vallam mahendra cave) - the so called `horned’ door guardian is a topic on its own.

mr chandru, thanks, have corrected. thanks for sharing the info on tirumayam and namakkal. looking forward to hearing more from you

best rgds
vj

]]> By: Chandru http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1094 Chandru Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:34:37 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1094 I just noticed the title... It is actually AVANI-BHAJANA PALLAWESHWARAM. You may be right on the antiquity of the caves.. Pillayarpatti is certainly older than Mandagappattu. Thirumayam is probably later. The Namakkal caves are certainly Pandya, not Pallava. It is a fact that the Pandyas have excavated more cave temples than the Pallavas. In fact they started excavating cave temples before the Pallavas and this activity went on even after the decline of the Pallava empire. I just noticed the title… It is actually AVANI-BHAJANA PALLAWESHWARAM.

You may be right on the antiquity of the caves.. Pillayarpatti is certainly older than Mandagappattu. Thirumayam is probably later. The Namakkal caves are certainly Pandya, not Pallava. It is a fact that the Pandyas have excavated more cave temples than the Pallavas. In fact they started excavating cave temples before the Pallavas and this activity went on even after the decline of the Pallava empire.

]]> By: Kathie B. http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1093 Kathie B. Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:11:52 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1093 Earlier Dvarapalaka than Thirumayam? how I love this early sculpture! Anyway, reminds me of travelling all day to Deogarh [DasavataraMandir, that masterpiece] from Bhopal, then having someone come running at me: 'no photo, no photo.' Also sculpture shed was locked, key at AIIS in Delhi! What a disappointment. Earlier Dvarapalaka than Thirumayam? how I love this early sculpture!
Anyway, reminds me of travelling all day to Deogarh [DasavataraMandir, that masterpiece] from Bhopal, then having someone come running at me: ‘no photo, no photo.’ Also sculpture shed was locked, key at AIIS in Delhi!
What a disappointment.

]]> By: Vijay http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1091 Vijay Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:54:53 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1091 hi cheenu, mr chandru Not sure if this is correct " Thirumayyam pre-dates the earliest Pallave cave (Mandagappattu) by at least 150 years." To the best of my knowledge the only caves predating mandagapattu is the pillayarpatti caves. http://www.pudukkottai.org/places/thirumayam/01thirumayam.html#Historical%20background rgds vj ( sorry for the typo on the header - hv changed) hi cheenu, mr chandru

Not sure if this is correct ” Thirumayyam pre-dates the earliest Pallave cave (Mandagappattu) by at least 150 years.” To the best of my knowledge the only caves predating mandagapattu is the pillayarpatti caves.

http://www.pudukkottai.org/places/thirumayam/01thirumayam.html#Historical%20background

rgds
vj
( sorry for the typo on the header - hv changed)

]]> By: Srinivasan N. (Cheenu) http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1090 Srinivasan N. (Cheenu) Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:07:52 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1090 yes Vj.. pls. change the title or name of the place to Aavanibhaja Pallaveswaram or Avanabhaja Pallawesvaram... Palleswaram does not sound good at all... it seems we are talking about the Tooth (Palle) God (eswaram) .. ha ha ha... yes Vj..

pls. change the title or name of the place to Aavanibhaja Pallaveswaram or Avanabhaja Pallawesvaram… Palleswaram does not sound good at all… it seems we are talking about the Tooth (Palle) God (eswaram) .. ha ha ha…

]]> By: N.Srinivasan http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1089 N.Srinivasan Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:29:09 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1089 One more thing friends... Certainly, I don't doubt the antiquity of Thirumayyam panel (at least the Anantasyayi panel) simply because in the Vaishnava (Iyengar parlance).. Thirumayyam as a religious shrine is considered older than the Srirangam temple... which itself is (only as per legends) is considered a creation of Chola Nedumili or Kilivalavan of the BC era!!!!!!!!!!!! One more thing friends… Certainly, I don’t doubt the antiquity of Thirumayyam panel (at least the Anantasyayi panel) simply because in the Vaishnava (Iyengar parlance).. Thirumayyam as a religious shrine is considered older than the Srirangam temple… which itself is (only as per legends) is considered a creation of Chola Nedumili or Kilivalavan of the BC era!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: N.Srinivasan http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1088 N.Srinivasan Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:26:27 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1088 Ah, I noticed Chandru's comments just now. Hmm.. Thanks for confirming that Thirumayyam is older than Mangadapattu... but I thought that the structures at Thirumayyam, Namakkal (I mean the Ranganathar panel, with both the God, the Demons and the accompanying sculptures) look typically Pallava.. though for the longest period the Pudukottai-Karaikkudi region was under Pandiya control (Thirumayyam Vishnu temple is typically called a Pandiya Nattu Divya Desam only - but I entertain a genuine doubt that if at all Thirumayyam in its entirety was a Pandiya creation). Sure the nearby Vettuvan koil is a Pandiya creation.. lot of sculptures like Rathi Manmadan, Kuravan Kuratti plus the Swambhoo of Satyamurti perumal at Thirumayyam are certainly Pandiya creations/ contributions.. but I think the Azhagiya Meyyar, Ranganatha Panel at Thirumayyam is certainly Pallava for its them is so similar to (first) Namakkal, and then the Anantasyayi at Mallai Rathas... Kindly educate me more both dear Chandru and VJ. Cheenu Ah, I noticed Chandru’s comments just now.

Hmm.. Thanks for confirming that Thirumayyam is older than Mangadapattu… but I thought that the structures at Thirumayyam, Namakkal (I mean the Ranganathar panel, with both the God, the Demons and the accompanying sculptures) look typically Pallava.. though for the longest period the Pudukottai-Karaikkudi region was under Pandiya control (Thirumayyam Vishnu temple is typically called a Pandiya Nattu Divya Desam only - but I entertain a genuine doubt that if at all Thirumayyam in its entirety was a Pandiya creation). Sure the nearby Vettuvan koil is a Pandiya creation.. lot of sculptures like Rathi Manmadan, Kuravan Kuratti plus the Swambhoo of Satyamurti perumal at Thirumayyam are certainly Pandiya creations/ contributions.. but I think the Azhagiya Meyyar, Ranganatha Panel at Thirumayyam is certainly Pallava for its them is so similar to (first) Namakkal, and then the Anantasyayi at Mallai Rathas…

Kindly educate me more both dear Chandru and VJ.

Cheenu

]]> By: Chandru http://poetryinstone.in/lang/en/2009/04/16/the-first-ever-depiction-of-nataraja-in-stone-in-south-india.html/comment-page-1#comment-1087 Chandru Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:03:24 +0000 http://www.poetryinstone.in/?p=2242#comment-1087 Vijay: Nicely written! N.Srininvasan has written, "... the gopuram to the left is so typically Pallava is it not? it takes us back to Kudumiyanmalai and Thirumayyam in that the left gopuram seems to magically and miraculously sprout out of the mountain, is it not….. " Any similariteies here must be a coincidence, as the Kuduiyanmalai and the Thirumayyam temples were of Pandya oringin and Thirumayyam pre-dates the earliest Pallave cave (Mandagappattu) by at least 150 years. Vijay:

Nicely written!

N.Srininvasan has written, “… the gopuram to the left is so typically Pallava is it not? it takes us back to Kudumiyanmalai and Thirumayyam in that the left gopuram seems to magically and miraculously sprout out of the mountain, is it not….. ” Any similariteies here must be a coincidence, as the Kuduiyanmalai and the Thirumayyam temples were of Pandya oringin and Thirumayyam pre-dates the earliest Pallave cave (Mandagappattu) by at least 150 years.

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